Post by Remnant1217 on Sept 30, 2003 15:35:31 GMT -5
To really understand the Bible Prophecy, you need to first let the bible interpret itself. a knowledge of history is important too.. Also, Daniel and Revelation are to be studied together, because they give you the keys to bible prophecy. A day equals a year in bible prophecy...numbers 14:34. a beast equals a king or kingdom. daniel 7:21. the mark of the beast is forced Sunday worship. Seal of God is Seventh-day sabbath. Commandmant #4. your receiving the mark in your forehead means you agree with it. receiving the mark in your hands means..you dont agree with it, but you're still going to do it. 666= VICARIUS FILII DEI" Pope's title in Latin...plug in the Roman Numerals...equals..666.
Daniel and Revelations are steeped in symbolism, some of it ancient Hebrew in origin. It can be very difficult to understand without accurate interpretation.
Please do not attack the leaders of other faiths, for example JPII, on this board. I do not care if the word for pope adds up to 6666666. If you are going to discredit an entire religion, you had better have a very good, solid, non-emotional argument to back up your claims.
I think the rules of the board are clear but if need be, I will post them.
I like to listen to coast to coast am (like a lot of other viewers here), and I had a thought. He had a priest on his program named Father Malachi Martin, this guy was there talking about the predictions of fatima, and how he had seen them and the pope had seen them. He mentioned three of them and told two. He said he would not mention the third, and that when the pope saw it he almost fainted,(or maybe that he did faint), and went on to say that the third prediction was the worst possible thing you could imagine. I've often thought, well to a pope or a preacher, what is the "worst" thing you could imagine. Then, Tulameen, in your quote about "lift up our hearts and minds" the other day, it also made me think about when as a kid I used to go to church. I was episcopal(well after being lutheran, then forced Catholic, then changed episcopal) (now I'm the church of the "temple within" ; lol), and I remember in one part of the communion, the preacher spoke "lift up your hearts" he said this line with much passion, this was almost the most passionate part of his whole service. It was almost shouted, then we responded almost robot like "we lift them up to the lord". I always felt kinda weird about that. Then this all made me have a thought. Now remember as I say this everyone (before anyone gets upset at me), I don't claim anything as fact, I only like to inspire thought. What if the pope when he read the messages of Fatima discovered that in their thought of serving God. The rituals they carried out etc. were more of a facilitation to evil(devil) than God. It has oft been said that the devil(evil) loves to use religion or the name of god as his tools. We've even discussed all over this board about the negativites of current organized religion. Could it be possible that all these "servants of God" have been unwitting servants of evil(devil)? And if you were a "servant of God" would not this be the worst you could imagine, that in your service of god you were doing the opposite. Almost a nightmarish thought if you were a priest. Please remember before anyone attacks me, I'm not stating this as fact, this is just "food for though", and I would love to hear anyone's "thoughts" on this. Remember this is only a thought.
Post by Remnant1217 on Oct 22, 2003 9:56:54 GMT -5
Daniel and Revelation are not so steeped in symbolism that they cannot be correctly interpreted. As a matter of fact, many protestants claimed the Pope as the antichrist in the 10th - 20th century. Rome responded by creating the Jesuits and called in the counter reformation. Its objective was to obscure the meaning of the Bible. My response is emotional because so many people are being deceived. Many dont even understand or care. If you would like to study with me. I will glady show my reasons why I write. I will gladly sit with you and show everything from the bible that I am saying. May the Lord open they eyes of multitudes. Peace.
"the mark of the beast is forced Sunday worship. Seal of God is Seventh-day sabbath. Commandmant #4. your receiving the mark in your forehead means you agree with it. receiving the mark in your hands means..you dont agree with it, but you're still going to do it. 666= VICARIUS FILII DEI" Pope's title in Latin...plug in the Roman Numerals...equals..666"
I am Christian also, but "What world are you living in?" You should take a hard look at technology, and see that the "marks" are allready being designed, and implimented.
Identification chips, as well as credit history, personal info. etc... which, I might add, are implanted into the human body, are allready in exhistance.
Don't be fooled into thinking that the mark is a mere decision, it is a physical reality. The bible doesn't say anything about decisions concerning the mark, except whether you will take it or not.
If you want to read something that will really scare any Christian, look on forbes.com for an article called Where They're Going . It talkes about the future of computers, and alludes to the fact that with the developement of quantum computers, the internet will begin to learn and evolve. As an entity unto itself. Sounds an awful lot like the beast, or the likeness of the beast which is in every household, speaking... Idol?
Anyway, don't mean to bring you down, but we don't have to invent, we have but to look around us and compare...
The reason why the Old Testament symbolism can be very obscure today is because those of us who are now trying to interpret it are living several hundered years later - and quite distant in space and culture. No, it's not easy.
As a matter of fact, many protestants claimed the Pope as the antichrist in the 10th - 20th century.
Protestantism did not exist in the 10th century. The Protestant reformation begain in the 16th century.
The Church in the Dark Ages was not perfect and had a significant number of flaws. At one point, there were two popes, one in Rome and one in Avignon. The popes, bishops and other members of the hierarchy were neither elected nor called to a spiritual occupation. These positions were lay people, usually members of the nobility, who were appointed to these positions as gifts or political appointments. The Church of 600 years ago was in quite a mess.
Protestantism was a reaction to those flaws. The emotional reaction I see today that causes people to become self-righteous and think they are hearing the voice of God telling them that anything belonging to a religion different from their own is a kind of neurosis.
I make no apologies for that comment. Yes, thinking everyone *except you* is the devil, the anti-christ, or is worshipping the devil is a kind of neurosis. Or several kinds.
Things can change in 600 years. Why would someone refer to an institution as if it had remained unchanged in hundreds of years, unless the current version, while not nearly as imperfect, is somehow a threat?